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Old 02-23-2010, 03:06 PM   #71
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I've read all of this, and really thought a lot about it. I think that if people want to apply to become a GT, and they've read ALL the rules, then they should already understand why they may be turned down. I don't think a form is necessary, and even if one is implemented, there are still going to be many PMs asking about the things checked off. I'm not convinced that it would be time-saving for the mods. I think it's a good thing for those who have had to apply a few times to keep re-reading the rules, and to keep posting in polite and helpful ways.
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Old 02-23-2010, 05:59 PM   #72
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... they've read ALL the rules, then they should already understand why they may be turned down .,,, I think it's a good thing for those who have had to apply a few times to keep re-reading the rules ...


I would agree with you if it was not for the fact that many individuals comply with all the rules, and meet all the requirements, BUT don't make the cut due to an inadaquate number of GT spots being available.

From what I have heard from other members, it currently takes a 'qualified' applicant on average 4 attempts before success. This suggests 75% of rejections are simply due to there not being enough spaces.

Perhaps a Moderator involved with the GT process could shed light on whether this is a fair estimation.
Feedback would be an encouragng pat on the back for those doing everythinng rght ... a clear message 'Keep up the good work and you will eventually get in!"

Without feedback, but knowing that at least some applicants don't make the cut just because their was not enough space available, it may take the member rejected due to the fact that they are making bad posts mand months to realize this. How many more potentially insensetive and hurtfull posts will they make in the process?
If the number of persons 'rejected' due to lack of space is negligable, then the 'value' of feedback is significantly lower since it would be safe for a member to assume the rejection was due to inadaquate posts.
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:10 PM   #73
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Kinda like Desty said, I think that if people who apply actually want to become a GT, and don't just apply because they feel like it, read over the rules, they should know why they've been rejected I don't think the mods would have the time to send messages to all of the people :[
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:12 PM   #74
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I think that the WI members, especially the kids, understand that you sort of have to 'wait in line' for things like this. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. I guess I would personally find it surprising to be able to get something right when I want it, when I know there are other people who have been waiting longer than I have. Everyone can see how many 'purple' names there are, and how many applicants there are. Just my thoughts.
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:22 PM   #75
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View Post Originally Posted by JustDad

I would agree with you if it was not for the fact that many individuals comply with all the rules, and meet all the requirements, BUT don't make the cut due to an inadaquate number of GT spots being available.

From what I have heard from other members, it currently takes a 'qualified' applicant on average 4 attempts before success. This suggests 75% of rejections are simply due to there not being enough spaces.

Perhaps a Moderator involved with the GT process could shed light on whether this is a fair estimation.
I'm a moderator in the Gift Exchange, and I used to be a Gift Coach in the training area. When I comment on the thoughts above, it is from that experience only -- I am not involved in the GT approval process.

There is one flawed assumption in your message. That is, that what you heard from other members is an accurate representation of their GT application. In my experience, people don't exactly come forward and say, "I got rejected because I broke XYZ rule."

I'm also not sure where you get your percentages of the number of rejections and their reasons. Assuming everyone you spoke with was truthful about their rule history, it's still an anecdotal number.

That said, what IS realistic is that the TS gets busy. Speaking from first-hand experience, being a gift coach is probably the single most difficult job on the site. Teaching a complicated process online to such a diverse audience takes a special kind of patience and devotion. Please, never underestimate how busy those coaches can be.
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:27 PM   #76
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I'm a moderator in the Gift Exchange, and I used to be a Gift Coach in the training area. When I comment on the thoughts above, it is from that experience only -- I am not involved in the GT approval process.

There is one flawed assumption in your message. That is, that what you heard from other members is an accurate representation of their GT application. In my experience, people don't exactly come forward and say, "I got rejected because I broke XYZ rule."

I'm also not sure where you get your percentages of the number of rejections and their reasons. Assuming everyone you spoke with was truthful about their rule history, it's still an anecdotal number.

That said, what IS realistic is that the TS gets busy. Speaking from first-hand experience, being a gift coach is probably the single most difficult job on the site. Teaching a complicated process online to such a diverse audience takes a special kind of patience and devotion. Please, never underestimate how busy those coaches can be.
Yeah, I was in the TGE for two months, and there were about 3 pages of open threads. With about 15 GCs, that a lot of Trainees. And we make a lot of mistakes so....
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:05 PM   #77
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Yeah, I was in the TGE for two months, and there were about 3 pages of open threads. With about 15 GCs, that a lot of Trainees. And we make a lot of mistakes so....
Also, it's rare that all 15 are actively coaching. Taking on a trainee (much less more than one) is a big commitment and not always one that you can take a day off from. So the coaches take breaks -- as they can and should.
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Old 02-23-2010, 07:13 PM   #78
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Before the inception of the Training Section in early 2008, members on the forum were allowed in the Gift Exchange based on posts and time on WI. A lot of those members struggled (were not well versed with trade values, had trouble maintaining their GE and lines etc) and it made it increasingly difficult for Moderators and Administrators to maintain.

A lot of hard work went into the creation of the Gifted Training Section, and the main purpose of that is to have a little training center where members who were eligible to enter, can train in a fully supervised environment with a lot less pressure. The Gift Coaches are outstanding Gift Guru members. They are also volunteers, as are all staff on this site.

The fact that Webkinz Insider is the safest Webkinz trading site around, is because we monitor all entry right at the beginning - the Gifted Training Section.

Speaking as one of the first batch of Gift Coaches, I can honestly tell you that this whole concept of training has changed trading in a very positive way as soon as this was instituted. Traders in the Gift Exchange are more respectful of each other, and there are significantly less hassles and red flags. A lot of smaller issues, traders can work out between themselves.

As Desty has simply pointed out, if you are not reading and re-reading the rules in the first instance, you're not paying attention to what is required to become a Gift Trainee. If you are not changing your attitude and the way you're posting on the forum to being more polite and helpful, then your application is more than likely to be unsuccessful. That I would say, would be the #1 reason why a majority of members have their application declined. Also, rushing to apply soon after you have been declined is not advisable - the two weeks/50 posts start all over.
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:06 PM   #79
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View Post Originally Posted by JacksMom
I'm a moderator in the Gift Exchange, and I used to be a Gift Coach in the training area. When I comment on the thoughts above, it is from that experience only -- I am not involved in the GT approval process.

There is one flawed assumption in your message. That is, that what you heard from other members is an accurate representation of their GT application. In my experience, people don't exactly come forward and say, "I got rejected because I broke XYZ rule."

I'm also not sure where you get your percentages of the number of rejections and their reasons. Assuming everyone you spoke with was truthful about their rule history, it's still an anecdotal number.

That said, what IS realistic is that the TS gets busy. Speaking from first-hand experience, being a gift coach is probably the single most difficult job on the site. Teaching a complicated process online to such a diverse audience takes a special kind of patience and devotion. Please, never underestimate how busy those coaches can be.
Just to add to JacksMom's post here...the one thing I can say as the Admin for the Gift Training Section is folks are never not made a Gift Trainee for lack of space...if they have met the criteria and have posted their acceptance to the Fair Gift Exchange Policy...upon review they are accepted and welcomed into the GTS!

Even if the GC's are booked...they are still accepted into the program where they can study the threads & Sticky's and prepare for when a Coach is available to take them on...there is a ton of information to absorb in the GTS...so if it takes them longer to get a GC...they will be more prepared for the training process once they do...while also learning a small lesson in patience while having to wait for the next available Coach...as all staff are volunteers here with real life families of their own and are extending a hand to help out here where we can!

But we do NOT turn eligible members away! Members that have been turned away need look no further then their own conduct here on WI...as both Desty & commodore have stated...read & re-read the rules so that they can be sure they are following them and continue on with trying to be the best WI citizen you can be...a role model for others here on the site...help where you can and reapply when you've met the requirements!
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:09 PM   #80
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I agree....
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