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Old 08-31-2008, 11:24 PM   #31
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I didn't make the rules, so I'm not entirely certain, but I'll try to explain the reasoning as I understand it. Please note first though, that this post isn't intended to scare you or anything - just help you understand WHY the rules, and internet safety in general, are so important.


Sooo... Let's say, you mention in one of your posts that you live in Arizona. Totally innocent, and not really personally identifying, right?

Now in another post, when someone asks for homework help, you respond saying you can't help with the answer because you're only in 6th grade. Again, totally innocent, right?

A week goes by, you don't even remember making those first two posts. Now you're in the Daily Chat Thread, in Open Mike. The subject is "What's your favorite sport?" You post saying that your favorite sport of all time is soccer, and that you've played since 3rd grade, and last year, your team won the league tournament. Again, totally innocent, right?

....But anyone who looks at your last week worth of posts now knows that you are a 6th grader in Arizona, who plays on a girls 11-13 soccer team that won a league tournament in 2007.

Over the next month, you make more innocent posts. In one, you mention your hair color. In another, maybe a Guess The Number giveaway in the Contests section, you pick 42, innocently mentioning that it's your favorite number because it's the number of your school bus this year, and 42 has been your jersey number for the past 3 years.

Let's say that's all you ever post. Not too bad, right? Let's see... We only know that you're in 6th grade, live in Arizona, play on a girls soccer team that won a league tourney, wear jersey number 42, have blonde hair, and ride bus 42. Uht oh.


And now if a "bad guy" is tech savvy, he can upload a picture onto a webiste that he owns. Any picture. Maybe a rainbow. Maybe a kitten. Every time someone views that picture, he can see their IP address. So now all he has to do, is PM you with that picture included in the message. It can be a totally innocent PM. BUT even if you delete it, and don't respond, as long as you opened it, he now has your IP address.

So now he can decipher your IP address... do a reverse lookup, use an IP to location tool, and find out the exact town or city where you live - BumbleGumble, AZ. So now they just have to google the 11-13 y/o girls soccer teams in BumbleGumble, and find out which one won the tournament. There's probably a team picture archived somewhere on the internet, from the news story that was inevitably run when your team won. It probably includes your first and last name, too. Just look for number 42 with blonde hair. BINGO! Now he just has to go sit outside the local school for a day, and look for the girl from the picture who is getting onto bus 42...

Even imagine how much easier it would make it to find you if you'd signed your first name on a post on a friend's profile. Yikes!



5 or 6 "innocent" pieces of information, in 5 or 6 different posts, spread over a month or two long period. You don't even remember making half of them, but that's all it takes. So the rules are meant to keep you safe. They're meant to prevent you from posting ANY identifying information about yourself. It's VERY easy to let little bits slip here and there, and think nothing of it. I know I do it all the time, often times without even thinking about it. (I'm over 18, and have all my info out there from my social/political activities anyways, so I know I'm a little more careless than I probably ought to be.) So the mods don't want anyone posting their state, city, age, school year, team names, first names, last names, etc. Nothing that can be used to identify you. The rules are there to make sure that WI is one of the safest sites on the internet, and a site where parents feel comfortable letting their kids visit.
What you say makes sence, but it would be just as easy for some creep to sit outside ANY random school and kidnap one of them.
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Old 08-31-2008, 11:27 PM   #32
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Well i think wut is important 2 is phone numbers. u can type it in online and c who owns it and where they live and everything. so thats really important.
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Old 08-31-2008, 11:29 PM   #33
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I agree with a couple other people... I won't give out my age since it is against the rules, but I dissagree with the rule. I mean, as long as you don't give out anything that can identify you, then you're fine. I mean, say you're 11, you're not the only 11 year-old in the world, so nobody can find out who you are.
What I mean is.. I think there should be limits as to what we're allowed to say... I never say the state I live in, or what I look like. But what is you say your name... and age? Say your name is Jennifer and you're 11.. and you say that in a post.. you're not the ONLY Jennfier who is 11 years old in the world.

I think there should be limits as to what we're allowed to say.. so that we can share our personalites... yet still be safe.

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Old 08-31-2008, 11:43 PM   #34
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View Post Originally Posted by LionLover3000
What you say makes sence, but it would be just as easy for some creep to sit outside ANY random school and kidnap one of them.
But with the scenario I posted, the creep would have the added bonus of knowing anywhere from a few to a ton of personal details about the target.

What if, instead of a creepy bald guy in a white van asking you if you'd like some candy, two 20-something clean cut and well-dressed guys with what looked like a NEWS van, approached you as you were leaving a soccer practice? One had a video camera, the other a microphone. They asked you and your friend for an interview, addressing you both by name, saying they saw you'd won the Championship last year, and wanted to talk to you about the upcoming season.

Would your first instinct be to run away, screaming for an adult? Would you maybe stand and talk to him for 10 seconds, before saying you should get your Coach? Would you go ahead and answer a few of his questions, which appear legitimate?


Following the scenario I laid out, those 2 "reporters" are actually the creeps, and you and your friend may have just stood there talking to them for 3 minutes, all alone, while your coach was distracted with a parent who was complaining about her kid not getting enough field time...

Food for thought.


And also, the person tracking you down might not necessarily be a kidnapper or creep. What if you made what you thought was an innocent comment to some tech-savvy teenager, and he or she took it the wrong way, and decided they wanted real life revenge? They could use the same methods to track you down, find your parents name and phone number, and call your parents and make up some lies about you. (I've seen that done on other forums more than once!)

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View Post Originally Posted by Livi
I agree with a couple other people... I won't give out my age since it is against the rules, but I dissagree with the rule. I mean, as long as you don't give out anything that can identify you, then you're fine. I mean, say you're 11, you're not the only 11 year-old in the world, so nobody can find out who you are.
What I mean is.. I think there should be limits as to what we're allowed to say... I never say the state I live in, or what I look like. But what is you say your name... and age? Say your name is Jennifer and you're 11.. and you say that in a post.. you're not the ONLY Jennfier who is 11 years old in the world.

I think there should be limits as to what we're allowed to say.. so that we can share our personalites... yet still be safe.
I think we're already able to share more than enough, without any identifying info.

You don't need to know a name or an age to have a personality. Your personality comes through in your posts just fine, regardless of how old you are. (And usually, you can tell someone's age range based on their posts anyway.)

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Old 09-01-2008, 07:06 AM   #35
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Thanks for reminding me! Will do!
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View Post Originally Posted by Bonsai
I didn't make the rules, so I'm not entirely certain, but I'll try to explain the reasoning as I understand it. Please note first though, that this post isn't intended to scare you or anything - just help you understand WHY the rules, and internet safety in general, are so important.


Sooo... Let's say, you mention in one of your posts that you live in Arizona. Totally innocent, and not really personally identifying, right?

Now in another post, when someone asks for homework help, you respond saying you can't help with the answer because you're only in 6th grade. Again, totally innocent, right?

A week goes by, you don't even remember making those first two posts. Now you're in the Daily Chat Thread, in Open Mike. The subject is "What's your favorite sport?" You post saying that your favorite sport of all time is soccer, and that you've played since 3rd grade, and last year, your team won the league tournament. Again, totally innocent, right?

....But anyone who looks at your last week worth of posts now knows that you are a 6th grader in Arizona, who plays on a girls 11-13 soccer team that won a league tournament in 2007.

Over the next month, you make more innocent posts. In one, you mention your hair color. In another, maybe a Guess The Number giveaway in the Contests section, you pick 42, innocently mentioning that it's your favorite number because it's the number of your school bus this year, and 42 has been your jersey number for the past 3 years.

Let's say that's all you ever post. Not too bad, right? Let's see... We only know that you're in 6th grade, live in Arizona, play on a girls soccer team that won a league tourney, wear jersey number 42, have blonde hair, and ride bus 42. Uht oh.


And now if a "bad guy" is tech savvy, he can upload a picture onto a webiste that he owns. Any picture. Maybe a rainbow. Maybe a kitten. Every time someone views that picture, he can see their IP address. So now all he has to do, is PM you with that picture included in the message. It can be a totally innocent PM. BUT even if you delete it, and don't respond, as long as you opened it, he now has your IP address.

So now he can decipher your IP address... do a reverse lookup, use an IP to location tool, and find out the exact town or city where you live - BumbleGumble, AZ. So now they just have to google the 11-13 y/o girls soccer teams in BumbleGumble, and find out which one won the tournament. There's probably a team picture archived somewhere on the internet, from the news story that was inevitably run when your team won. It probably includes your first and last name, too. Just look for number 42 with blonde hair. BINGO! Now he just has to go sit outside the local school for a day, and look for the girl from the picture who is getting onto bus 42...

Even imagine how much easier it would make it to find you if you'd signed your first name on a post on a friend's profile. Yikes!



5 or 6 "innocent" pieces of information, in 5 or 6 different posts, spread over a month or two long period. You don't even remember making half of them, but that's all it takes. So the rules are meant to keep you safe. They're meant to prevent you from posting ANY identifying information about yourself. It's VERY easy to let little bits slip here and there, and think nothing of it. I know I do it all the time, often times without even thinking about it. (I'm over 18, and have all my info out there from my social/political activities anyways, so I know I'm a little more careless than I probably ought to be.) So the mods don't want anyone posting their state, city, age, school year, team names, first names, last names, etc. Nothing that can be used to identify you. The rules are there to make sure that WI is one of the safest sites on the internet, and a site where parents feel comfortable letting their kids visit.
View Post Originally Posted by Bonsai
Sorry that was so long! Just trying to help everyone understand the "why" behind the rules. Sometimes knowing why makes them a little easier to follow.
thanks so much bonai for helping people when i wasnt here

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This is a good reminder thread, thank you.

one other request is if you see grade or age or other personal information posted, please flag it!

we like to edit it so that other people see it and think it's ok to post that too.
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But with the scenario I posted, the creep would have the added bonus of knowing anywhere from a few to a ton of personal details about the target.

What if, instead of a creepy bald guy in a white van asking you if you'd like some candy, two 20-something clean cut and well-dressed guys with what looked like a NEWS van, approached you as you were leaving a soccer practice? One had a video camera, the other a microphone. They asked you and your friend for an interview, addressing you both by name, saying they saw you'd won the Championship last year, and wanted to talk to you about the upcoming season.

Would your first instinct be to run away, screaming for an adult? Would you maybe stand and talk to him for 10 seconds, before saying you should get your Coach? Would you go ahead and answer a few of his questions, which appear legitimate?


Following the scenario I laid out, those 2 "reporters" are actually the creeps, and you and your friend may have just stood there talking to them for 3 minutes, all alone, while your coach was distracted with a parent who was complaining about her kid not getting enough field time...

Food for thought.


And also, the person tracking you down might not necessarily be a kidnapper or creep. What if you made what you thought was an innocent comment to some tech-savvy teenager, and he or she took it the wrong way, and decided they wanted real life revenge? They could use the same methods to track you down, find your parents name and phone number, and call your parents and make up some lies about you. (I've seen that done on other forums more than once!)

---------- Bonsai added 6 Minutes and 57 Seconds later ----------

I think we're already able to share more than enough, without any identifying info.

You don't need to know a name or an age to have a personality. Your personality comes through in your posts just fine, regardless of how old you are. (And usually, you can tell someone's age range based on their posts anyway.)
thanks again bosai
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I totally agree with dreamb67.......
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I agree that it is very unsafe. I gave you a rep point dreamb
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Old 09-01-2008, 08:39 AM   #39
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thanks for posting everyone!
thanks for the reps too!
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Old 09-01-2008, 08:51 AM   #40
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View Post Originally Posted by Bonsai
But with the scenario I posted, the creep would have the added bonus of knowing anywhere from a few to a ton of personal details about the target.

What if, instead of a creepy bald guy in a white van asking you if you'd like some candy, two 20-something clean cut and well-dressed guys with what looked like a NEWS van, approached you as you were leaving a soccer practice? One had a video camera, the other a microphone. They asked you and your friend for an interview, addressing you both by name, saying they saw you'd won the Championship last year, and wanted to talk to you about the upcoming season.

Would your first instinct be to run away, screaming for an adult? Would you maybe stand and talk to him for 10 seconds, before saying you should get your Coach? Would you go ahead and answer a few of his questions, which appear legitimate?


Following the scenario I laid out, those 2 "reporters" are actually the creeps, and you and your friend may have just stood there talking to them for 3 minutes, all alone, while your coach was distracted with a parent who was complaining about her kid not getting enough field time...

Food for thought.


And also, the person tracking you down might not necessarily be a kidnapper or creep. What if you made what you thought was an innocent comment to some tech-savvy teenager, and he or she took it the wrong way, and decided they wanted real life revenge? They could use the same methods to track you down, find your parents name and phone number, and call your parents and make up some lies about you. (I've seen that done on other forums more than once!)

---------- Bonsai added 6 Minutes and 57 Seconds later ----------

I think we're already able to share more than enough, without any identifying info.

You don't need to know a name or an age to have a personality. Your personality comes through in your posts just fine, regardless of how old you are. (And usually, you can tell someone's age range based on their posts anyway.)
That makes sense.
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