I have a suggestion for making recipe solving more organized. [AMMENDED]9/11/09 I would really appreciate ALL your input!!!!

[Aimless]

Honestly, my feeling is that in a scientific elimination everything must be verified accurate. Let's get started!

Amneris' thread simply needs to be verified now. Maybe she could do a -verified by - and put a name so we can track that too...

Sad as it seems, there are far too many ways for errors to slip in.

Blending is not easy and we all know glitches happen in real life and WW.

[tkprit]

Count me among those who've worked on combis that others are doing! It's a bit frustrating, but I look at it as double-checking. Would be nice to have a central thread where the first post is updated with who's doing what!

Originally Posted by imaclown

One thing I have noticed, if my dock contains any of the items that I am buying to be included in my trial, that certain item is "put with the original item in the dock" and it doesn't fall in line with the rest of the food items that are part of the trail that I'm going to do. Hence, those items that don't show up "in line" with the other items that I'm experimenting with could be left out of the eliminations without anyone knowing it. I've got to be careful to clear all food items out of my dock BEFORE I start buying the food to complete all 95 eliminations. Has anyone else noticed this?

1st, congrats on GT status! You'll have a blast!

2nd, I've done that! But then I've redone the foods when I noticed the problem. I keep a spreadsheet of the combo I'm working on (very simple, just uses 3 ingreds rows + gak color row), and I also clear my dock of foods that aren't recipe or PSF. I doubt anyone's made that mistake, but I suppose it's possible. Good suggestion though, just in case!

Originally Posted by peggios

We could use your thread MCJ, if it could get stickied or even put up in the place where the special Mega Stove is listed. That is so obvious I don't think anyone could miss it.

I love the idea! And we'd have one thread to point newcomers to, too!

Great idea!

[cocoabean]

Originally Posted by wkwcollecter

Wow that was alot of stuff to read. I dont think the intent of this thread was to start a new thread for solvers i think the intent was to get ideas of how a good way to have recipe solvers to work in coordination with each other.


That being said. I do think there should be ONE thread that is clearly titled that everyone goes to. The first time I posted on a recipe solvers thread is when i posted about the candy apples on Amneris's thread (which was infact the first thread i posted on at wi). I havnt used any other thread for tracking recipes done. Just reciently i have found out about other threads tracking ytt recipes and i dont even look at them when doing my eliminations. Having more then one is confusing.

I DO however think that the HHH values should be on a seperate thread i for one use the hhh thread for different reasons then the recipe solvers thread.

I like to post what combos i am doing before i do them and then i wait for a few hours before start eliminating them so if there is someone else doing that combo they can speak up and say they already started it or something. I really didnt want to step on anyones toes By "taking over" thier ingredient. and i'm sure no one else wants to either.


Sorry for the long post, just adding in my 2 cents.

I only meant the HHH thread should maybe have the pix of food on there as well... not be combined with Amneris's thread!

[Amneris]

Everyone makes a lot of good points. After thinking about this for a while, I think that it is a really good idea, but I don't think it would work in practice. It would be a huge undertaking for whoever was in charge of maintaining the thread, and there would still be people who wouldn't use it. I don't think I would have the heart to turn away someone who didn't reserve a combo but then reported it and could verify that it was done properly. Sorry for being so wishy-washy! Hugs to you all!

[monkeecj]

Originally Posted by cocoabean

Sorry if this comes off as harsh, I don't mean it that way... but we need to stop making new threads about every little thing and just get back to blending. People should pick combos they want to do and do them. In my opinion overlapping combos are just not that common. If you are paying attention and reading the posts on Amneris's thread and the individual recipe threads you can totally get an idea of what others are working on based on their posts. And if you want to do a combo that you feel they might have done or might be doing then pm them.

For me being part of this team means I tell you what I've done so that you don't spend your kc on the same thing I did. But quite frankly I don't feel the need to have a gazillion threads in this section about who's doing what, when they are doing it and whether or not they are done. Post your elims on Amneris's thread when your finished. Anything else just becomes confusing (AND DISCOURAGING) to new people. If you find that someone else is doing or has done the same thing you have then pm them to discuss what you can do to work together. It does not need to be discussed on a thread... and if it is it should be on the thread of the recipe you're trying to solve... not Amneris's thread and certainly not a new one! There's no need to have it all over threads in all different places which makes it THAT MUCH HARDER for new people to join in.

I definitely agree that it is better to just note what is going on in the other threads, especially Amneris's, to avoid duplicating combinations. The incident with candy apple was a freak one because the member had not posted on WI before and therefore did not know. However, that does not happen often, but I am SO very sorry that it did.

However, I think if we DO list who is working on what somewhere, that it will be a short note, and will not have an entire discussion designated for it. Yes the threads need to be kept very organized, but there is certainly no issue NOW with cluttered threads, and I think that by keeping this information out of the way, if at all, it will not become a problem.

peggios, I want you to realize that I am glad you brought this up. Also, it is good to note that we have never in the past really had many issues with repeats, and usually only small ones, after which is a learning experience and it isn't a big deal that a combo or two is repeated. Candy apple was an exception, and I feel your pain, but hopefully it won't happen again. I think that if we keep directing newcomers to cocoabean's "How to..." thread and make sure they pay attention to what is going on in other threads, that this won't become a problem.

Also, the privacy issue is an important one and it is good that it was mentioned - not all the time do I want everyone to know what I am working on. Lately, this hasn't been any trouble, but in the past it was imperative to keep SOME secrets, so it wouldn't be a guarantee that everyone would post the combos they are working on anyway if this was set up. Perhaps if I hadn't posted my Symphoscone attempts, that entire incident would never have occurred!

Originally Posted by cocoabean

I will admit I didn't pay as much attention to this thread... I don't want to know what someone else is "doing"... I want to know what's been done. I think that more than a few people only posted on this thread when they finished something... meaning it took me having to look there and Amneris's thread and the ytt and dl threads to find combos that had been "done"... again... confusing for people...

I find if I pay attention to what people are posting on Amneris's thread that at most I risk overlapping one combo... if I pay attention and notice that someone has done a root beer combo I can pm them if I want to do something with root beer to find out if they are working on all root beer combos or if it was just a random one... I think we all need to just pay attention and read through the new posts on Amneris's thread and we'll all be a lot better off!!!! But it was a little annoying to have to look in two places for that info...

Firstly, the purpose of that thread was to eliminate the YTT set in an orderly manner; it was an idea that was well-thought-out and executed so that we could reach a common goal that had never been strived for in the past. It was unique and well-organized and had IT'S OWN PURPOSE, which was different than that of Amneris' thread. That list was used to discover which YTT set ingredients were still left to eliminate, and it conveniently showed what ingredients to skip when trying a combination, so it did say "what was done" and that information was front and center.

Even if you didn't like that thread, there were others that used it frequently and were able to reference it. Remember that Amneris has everything from all threads updated eventually, so if it really mattered you would find the combinations on her thread anyway in a short amount of time.

Originally Posted by cocoabean

I was thinking of something else too... my suggestion to combine monkeecj's 2 threads... or at least put the pics and boosts in one place... or something like that... we should try to see how we can improve the threads we have instead of just immediately making new ones...

...In my opinion the "For recipe solvers eliminating the ytt set" needs to be closed now, we've eliminated it... not to a 2/5/09 date... but it's done. There's an error somewhere... let's just go back to blending.

I will be the one to decide what happens with my own threads, and I can tell you that that the first part will most certainly not happen. Both are different subjects, written for different people, and have uses opposite of each other. There is nothing wrong with having a singular thread that covers a topic completely, and I think our current layout does NOT have anything wrong with it in that regard.

Along with this same topic, if my "For Recipe Solvers..." thread closes like a normal thread, fine. If we can find another use for it, that is fine too. Technically, my goal was NOT accomplished on that thread because the ingredients should have been done to 2/5/09 and the haste at the end of those eliminations was frustrating for me as someone with a goal in mind because I had it layed out so we could reach it, and it was disregarded to save time which really did nothing for the Recipez section besides decide we had made a YTT mistake more quickly. Possibly if I ever want to complete that goal, it might be reopened again in the future. That being said, whatever happens, I would like that being left to me and not others to decide.

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Amneris, your point, which I did think of but didn't post because of so much I addressed above, is probably the most important one here. It would most likely not work when tried out because of all those factors.

[wkwcollecter]

I just wanted to make it clear that when i elimnated the candy apples i had been working on them for 2 months. I started this before i had even found this website and I made that clear in my post when i posted the candy apples had been completed.

I did read over and see that peggios had been doing the candy apples as well as elphantboy (or somethign like that). Peggios had made it clear that they didnt want to be wasting kinzcash if it had already been done. When i read that they didnt want to be wasting kinzcash for somethign that was already tried thats when i decided to make my very first post on wi and tell you all that i had completed it. I did not think this would be a problem. It is not like I started doing them when peggios had already started them. I wasnt even here on wi when i started eliminating them (i was doing it on my own without all the wonderful help of you people on wi).

I have just seen soooo many posts now about me eliminating it. What should i have done? just kept it to myself and not said anything as peggios continued to do it? I also tried everything with almonds in the months before that but it was already taken off the list so i didnt say that.

I am very sorry i jumped on your ingredient peggios, that was not my intent. I was just trying to help.


I really did not think me posting my findings would start such a debate.

[Amneris]

Don't worry, this is not a debate. We all have the same goal, so this is just a friendly discussion to throw some ideas around to see what works best for us all. Wkwcollecter and Peggios, I value both of your contributions to the elimination of candy apple. You both worked hard on it, you both posted about it as soon as you were aware of the existence of others working on recipes, and you both rock. I value all chefs, old and new and retired.

[wkwcollecter]

Originally Posted by Amneris

Don't worry, this is not a debate. We all have the same goal, so this is just a friendly discussion to throw some ideas around to see what works best for us all. Wkwcollecter and Peggios, I value both of your contributions to the elimination of candy apple. You both worked hard on it, you both posted about it as soon as you were aware of the existence of others working on recipes, and you both rock. I value all chefs, old and new and retired.

awww your so sweet Amneris

[cocoabean]

Originally Posted by Amneris

Everyone makes a lot of good points. After thinking about this for a while, I think that it is a really good idea, but I don't think it would work in practice. It would be a huge undertaking for whoever was in charge of maintaining the thread, and there would still be people who wouldn't use it. I don't think I would have the heart to turn away someone who didn't reserve a combo but then reported it and could verify that it was done properly. Sorry for being so wishy-washy! Hugs to you all!

Agreed... monkeecj does a fantastic job of keeping that ytt thread updated though, but it would be a huge undertaking. And to be perfectly honest if I wanted to do a combo that someone had "reserved" I'd just do it.... I'm probably not going to check anywhere but Amneris's list to see if it's been done.

[cocoabean]

Originally Posted by monkeecj

Firstly, the purpose of that thread was to eliminate the YTT set in an orderly manner; it was an idea that was well-thought-out and executed so that we could reach a common goal that had never been strived for in the past. It was unique and well-organized and had IT'S OWN PURPOSE, which was different than that of Amneris' thread. That list was used to discover which YTT set ingredients were still left to eliminate, and it conveniently showed what ingredients to skip when trying a combination, so it did say "what was done" and that information was front and center.

Even if you didn't like that thread, there were others that used it frequently and were able to reference it. Remember that Amneris has everything from all threads updated eventually, so if it really mattered you would find the combinations on her thread anyway in a short amount of time.



I will be the one to decide what happens with my own threads, and I can tell you that that the first part will most certainly not happen. Both are different subjects, written for different people, and have uses opposite of each other. There is nothing wrong with having a singular thread that covers a topic completely, and I think our current layout does NOT have anything wrong with it in that regard.

Along with this same topic, if my "For Recipe Solvers..." thread closes like a normal thread, fine. If we can find another use for it, that is fine too. Technically, my goal was NOT accomplished on that thread because the ingredients should have been done to 2/5/09 and the haste at the end of those eliminations was frustrating for me as someone with a goal in mind because I had it layed out so we could reach it, and it was disregarded to save time which really did nothing for the Recipez section besides decide we had made a YTT mistake more quickly. Possibly if I ever want to complete that goal, it might be reopened again in the future. That being said, whatever happens, I would like that being left to me and not others to decide.

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Amneris, your point, which I did think of but didn't post because of so much I addressed above, is probably the most important one here. It would most likely not work when tried out because of all those factors.

I didn't mind the thread! I just didn't use it very much after a while!!!

And my idea of putting the pix of the w shop foods together with the boosts is a suggestion only!!! As a frequent user of both of your threads... I would personally like to see the food pix in the same place as the boost info since I often have to have both threads open and go back and forth when looking at boosts because I want to look at the food pix too. Both the w shop and unsolved recipes... so sometimes I have 3 threads open! So, I also, as a suggestion, wouldn't mind having the big pix of the unsolved recipes perhaps in a spoiler under the names of the recipes and boost info on your hhh thread!!! Not to say you can't have those pix in the other thread too!!! But it would be helpful to me if they were also in the hhh thread!

Just an example something like this... (would be very useful for me personally, but I completely understand that it's your thread! And you might not want to do this!)

The boosts of the 6 unsolved recipes:

Demitasse Lassi - Hunger - 8 Health -10 Happiness - 10

Spoiler: show

For the same reason I wouldn't mind having the w shop food pics there either!!!

This is I guess off topic... I'll post it on your thread too!